tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post8210125352918552223..comments2023-09-26T15:14:50.352+01:00Comments on Conservative Party Reptile: When you only have a hammerTim Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03705980028580424584noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-80925925467572602292007-05-16T01:31:00.000+01:002007-05-16T01:31:00.000+01:00I am sixteen at the moment and i now a lot of peop...I am sixteen at the moment and i now a lot of people that have dropped out of school and i can tell right now that they will go nowhere in life because they did not finish high school and now a days most jobs you need a high school degree to wotk there and if you dont have a high school degree you are going to work at a store or at a fast food place and who wants to do that as a living -- i now that once im older and run into some of my friends now that have dropped out of school they are going to be doing the same thing they do now and that is very sad to me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-67253016840918869672007-04-04T16:09:00.000+01:002007-04-04T16:09:00.000+01:00Tim, Surreptitious Evil and I would like to invite...Tim, Surreptitious Evil and I would like to invite you to be a contributor (regular or irregular, as you please) to <A HREF="http://appallingstupidity.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Educational Conscription</A>. I think I need your email to do the invite from within Blogger. If you accept (I hope you will) please could you email your address to ftassano at yahoo.co.uk<BR/><BR/>No commitment involved, you can post as often or rarely as you like. And you're not obliged to carry our banner or link image.<BR/><BR/>cheers<BR/>FabianFabe Tassanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279119414821928574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-39720005379680640242007-03-31T12:17:00.000+01:002007-03-31T12:17:00.000+01:00PS - have reproduced this exchange on my blog, hop...PS - have reproduced this exchange on my blog, hope that's okay.Fabe Tassanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279119414821928574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-62340141598205629342007-03-31T11:13:00.000+01:002007-03-31T11:13:00.000+01:00Just spotted this, Tim - thanks for the link.I kno...Just spotted this, Tim - thanks for the link.<BR/><BR/>I know in one sense it’s typical of NuLab, but there’s a risk here of being worn down to the point of tolerating the outrageous. Yes, in one sense it’s just another day in NuLab la-la land. But it’s getting more serious when people’s entire lives are being orchestrated. I see this as far more serious than ID cards, because I don’t think my life would be f*ed up by an ID card (it would be annoying, and I strongly disapprove) but my life could easily be f*ed up as a 17-year-old by being forced to spend two years doing something I didn’t want to do. I don’t understand why those who get worked up about ID cards don’t see that. In my mind it’s little better than conscription.<BR/><BR/>Of course the grey area comes in because the individuals affected are not considered full adults in current law, and it’s that grey area which Labour is exploiting. But I don’t think this compulsion-for-the-common-good theme (which strikes me as relatively new; that’s why I’m alarmed) will stop here. It is being floated, for example, for <A HREF="http://inversions-and-deceptions.blogspot.com/2007/01/you-awful-awful-man.html" REL="nofollow"> voting</A>.<BR/><BR/>You say you don’t believe it will happen. I hope you’re right. I find it hard to believe myself because if they cannot afford current pensions or NHS, how are they going to afford 10% extra state education? Perhaps they are just running it up the flagpole, but that’s no reason not to react strongly. Maybe they’re gauging the mood to see how much resistance they’d encounter for other types of coercion.<BR/><BR/>Pat, I happen to think compulsory education is dodgy in general, but that seems to me a separate issue. The question you should be asking is, should people who are currently considered old enough to lead conventional lives (have jobs, rent lodgings, get married, drive, etc.) be considered young and irresponsible enough to have their liberty taken away from them? In Scotland, apart from voting, you seem to be considered an adult at 16, so it’s lucky for the Scots that (so I’m told) their devolution means their education policy is independent of ours.Fabe Tassanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03279119414821928574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-45088871489983507172007-03-30T15:26:00.000+01:002007-03-30T15:26:00.000+01:00It's the proposal to introduce criminal sanctions ...It's the proposal to introduce criminal sanctions that gets me slightly vexed. It's also the fact that much of the background to this proposal is that schools currently aren't being successful in getting students to the required level by the age of 16 - so it should make them stay till they're 18.<BR/><BR/>On quasi-apprenticeships. These are a good idea in principle, but where are they going to be? Most apprentice opportunities are over-subscribed as it is. It's not just a matter of money, it's also a question of availability.Tim Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03705980028580424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-1675249984542875892007-03-30T14:36:00.000+01:002007-03-30T14:36:00.000+01:00I think you have misunderstood the proposal - if A...I think you have misunderstood the proposal - if A Levels are not a possibility those extra two years would be spent learning a trade, which is surely better than droppign out of school at 16 with nothing to show for it.<BR/><BR/>As someone who works with young offenders, it is most often th 16-18 year olds who have left school with nowt that get into the most trouble.<BR/><BR/>I think this could be a good thing - perhaps it would be better if not compulsary, but as good as?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-3183699595645223322007-03-30T14:08:00.000+01:002007-03-30T14:08:00.000+01:00If its a "massive infringement of civil liberty" t...If its a "massive infringement of civil liberty" to be forced to stay on at school till the age of eighteen, is it the same infringement to be forced to stay on till sixteen, fourteen, or indeed any other compulsory length of time?<BR/><BR/>Are you suggesting that there should be no compulsory educational attendance in the uk?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11891674273349552473noreply@blogger.com