tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post3152222461953304344..comments2023-09-26T15:14:50.352+01:00Comments on Conservative Party Reptile: Convention timeTim Jhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03705980028580424584noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-61841728588763512632008-09-01T14:37:00.000+01:002008-09-01T14:37:00.000+01:0018th and early 19th century party politics were a ...18th and early 19th century party politics were a touch more complicated than that. Although Governments were classified as being either Whig or Tory, members of parliament themselves often, perhaps usually, were not.<BR/><BR/>So Wilberforce worked closely with William Pitt (whose administration was described as Tory) but also worked with Whig Governments (not that there were that many when Wliberforce was in the House).<BR/><BR/>Read Duverger on early politics. He's pretty useful, even if it's an old book.<BR/><BR/>But anyway - so what? I've not argued that a Tory administration abolished slavery. It's entirely irrelevant to the debate. It's a fatuous, pointless little finger-jab of an argument.<BR/><BR/>Tell you what, why don't you address some (any) of the points in my post. Either of them, since you don't seem to mind. Then we can have an argument based on that.Tim Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03705980028580424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-46815640463513304552008-09-01T14:04:00.000+01:002008-09-01T14:04:00.000+01:00Willberforce was not a tory he was an independent....Willberforce was not a tory he was an independent. Wrong again. Boom. Case closed. Slavery was removed under the whig party.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-20078106912400628762008-08-29T12:00:00.000+01:002008-08-29T12:00:00.000+01:00LFAT - I'm sure it will, though by how much remain...LFAT - I'm sure it will, though by how much remains to be seen.<BR/><BR/>Dirty Euro - briefly, because I doubt you really want any interaction, I don't hate Obama, I'm just not sold on him as a candidate yet. I also didn't say we should shut up about slavery, just that it isn't a momentously significant part of British history.<BR/><BR/>And, although again I doubt you're open to sweet reason, presumably you mean Tories like William Wilberforce?Tim Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03705980028580424584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-64937965094632920552008-08-29T10:37:00.000+01:002008-08-29T10:37:00.000+01:00Grow up tory boy why do you hate blacks so much? G...Grow up tory boy why do you hate blacks so much? <BR/>Going on about how you hate obama and how you think we should shut up about slavery tory slave traders.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21724748.post-53149246278550767202008-08-29T10:06:00.000+01:002008-08-29T10:06:00.000+01:00The Clintons uniting behind Obama will surely have...The Clintons uniting behind Obama will surely have made an impact on some swing voters (and some Democrats for that matter).Letters From A Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14612766550608940053noreply@blogger.com